movements particularly republicans, john boehner coming out after the election, i get t revenues have to be part of the deal. as george suggested there will be arguments about how you get there but i think when i look at how the politics line up the leverage embedded in going over the cliff and what that means to the president and democrats will push us there. i just want to say macro economically, going over the cliff is a bad thing, no question about it, but going over the cliff and staying over the cliff is a lot worse than going over the cliff and kind of backtracking back up there. >> the bungy. >> the bungy jump. >> we talked about that. >> the slope, the fiscal slope. >> george, where are you on the actual rate itself? there was a conversation boehner said we'll put revenues on the table, keep it at 35%, we'll find the deductions and from the president the first time out he didn't talk about 39.6 and so there was this view amongst some who wanted to hear it somehow he was at the same place and boehner might be willing to do something. i was in d.c. yesterday and others, steve w